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Myk
Tue December 31st,2002, 12:14 AM
What do you think of the new 223 WSSM and 243 WSSM?

I think they will be accurate shooters. But I think the 223RFFB will have problems finding a niche. The initial release (and as we see with the WFB's, even later factory loads) will be too limited. The 22-250 has a strong following that will be hard to overcome and it seems that is what the 223RFFB seems to be after. I don't think people will go with the 64gr being for deer and black bear, they may use it for antelope. And having nothing lighter than 55gr will make it a tough sell over a 22-250 for p-dogs.

Of course there is always reloading to help get it off the ground.

The 243RFFB on the other hand doesn't have much competition in the hunting fields. It's a 6mmBR that will burn up the hunting fields and it's coming out in a range of weights to make it a true all purpose light hunting rifle. The top end doesn't give enough speed to make people want to sell their 243 to get a 243RFFB for deer season. But on the light end, it may make them want to sell their 243 to get the RFFB for those coyotes who've been hanging just out of range.

That's my prediction. The 223WSSM may not make it, caliber loyalty and not enough benefit to make the switch. The 243WSSM looks like a real winner.

(If you have no idea what I'm talking about, go to Winchester.com and look the calibers up under centerfire rifle ammo.)

BigJ
Tue December 31st,2002, 01:06 AM
Myk

Do you know the ballistics of the 243 fat boy? I would like to see how it stands up to to 6mm rem. and what are you doing up so late. I thought I was the only fool who works late

Myk
Tue December 31st,2002, 01:19 AM
This fool normally works 3rd. But I don't want to go to bed too early with tomorrow being New Years Eve. Besides I was trying to sleep off a migraine this weekend so my schedule is all screwed up.

http://www.winchester-guns.com/homepage/index.asp
has ballistics data. There's a WSSM Ballistics Data link near the top center of the page.
Also http://www.winchester.com has the data if you look up the calibers.

Here's a good article, http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/Vol04Is...inproducts.html (http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/Vol04Issue12/winproducts.html)
Looks like they will be needing to make a new shorter action for them and Winchester is going to put it out in the Black Shadow line (the cheap one) besides in the Coyote and Featherweight.
I wonder if I can come up with a good enough excuse to need a 243WSSM. :)

harv3589
Thu January 2nd,2003, 04:36 PM
I am very interested in the .243 WSSM...use to have a .243 and luved it so maybe this one will be better. Does anyone know if Remington will put it out?

Myk
Thu January 2nd,2003, 10:42 PM
I doubt it, at least not until they get a demand for them to be made. And even then it may be like pulling teeth.

I wouldn't doubt if they come out with a SSAUM in 243 before they give in to making a rifle for WSSM's. :)

For right now in WSSM your only choices are Winchester and Browning.

TrckrJoe
Fri January 3rd,2003, 12:14 PM
from all that I have read and seen the Rem shortmags are gonna be a dieing bread, seems that winchester has taken the field by storm and they aren't looking back , just forward
I think its great to have winchester moving back to the front of the pack again,

Trckr

'da law
Sat January 4th,2003, 09:25 PM
Hey All,

With WSSM's, I think that they will take off okay. However, one of the major drawbacks, is that they will probably only be available in the USRAC guns!

'da law
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Keep 'yer hammer back and 'yer powder dry!

Myk
Sat January 4th,2003, 11:44 PM
And Browning Abolts, just like the WSM's.

But I like Winchester so that fact is a major plus for me. ::rasp)

If they are accepted, by next year Ruger, Savage and others will make them just like they do now with the WSM's.

SST
Sun January 5th,2003, 12:18 AM
I'm just wondering if those short guys will feed.